WTA Blog offers the following.
As I’ve stated earlier, the Forest Service’s budget is being hammered because it is no longer generating any revenue. This decline began in the early 1990’s under the Clinton adminstration and has only been exacerbated under the Bush administration. I really believe that we need to revisit timber harvesting on our forests again. This will provide jobs for our depressed rural areas, bring in much needed revenue to rural counties and fill the coffers of the Federal government so that they can once again justify spending money on roads and trails and campgrounds. I am not suggesting a return to the high-cutting days of the Reagan years. Smart sustainable ecologically sensitive logging is what I am calling for. Besides providing for American jobs and bringing in money for recreation-we’ll be taking the pressure off of old-growth forests in Russia, Chile and Canada. Where do you think our lumber is coming from now that we aren’t harvesting in our forests anymore? For every action there is a reaction-and bringing timber harvesting to a halt on our national forests has been devastating for recreation at home and forests in other parts of the world. The Forest Service is not the Park Service, so it needs to be addressed differently.
Emphasis mine. I don’t follow the environmental movement closely enough to know whether folks fighting to protect the environment of the Industrialized West really give a flip about what’s happening in the so-called developing world. What I do know is that in the 30 years since the United States began aggressively exporting many of its its polluting industries, things have gotten progressively better, environmentwise, within our borders, while things have gotten progressively worse in the lands where those industries landed.
Everybody has to do what they can, where they can, so by default we’re obliged to protect our own neighborhoods first and hope others have a chance to follow our example. But if all we’re doing is gumming up the engines of commerce here and encouraging environmental degradation somewhere else, we need to be thinking more about the bigger picture.
All the stuff the tree-huggers hate — commerce, greed, profit, wealth, development, industry — is as natural as a mountain stream; the problem being that human nature has gotten out of balance with the rest of nature.
The way I see it, humans are not a requirement on this world of ours; we aren’t necessarily even the most highly evolved species (I prefer Douglas Adams’ theory about dolphins). It could well be that we’re just an evolutionary accident, in which case our prognosis is not good: nature’s pretty much undefeated in regards to rectifying such errors.
I’m sure Al Gore has already said this, but it’s worth repeating; the planet doesn’t need us, but we need the planet. The whole thing, not just the parts where we happen to be shacking up.
We need our forests to thrive and our streams to be clean and our oceans to be unpolluted, but the same is true for everybody else, everywhere else.
I respect nature but I have no delusions that I can protect it. Invasive species either come into balance with their ecosystem, or they eat up all the nutrients and die. Either way, nature wins.
So if cutting a few trees in our precious forests helps sustain the forests somewhere else, I’m all for it. Nature’s revenge is inevitable, but we ought to be trying to put it off as long as possible.
Tom, good comments.
The sad part is that with all the reading I’ve done I’ve come to believe that sustainable timber use is pretty much a theoretical concept that has not been lived in practice at any time since mechanized forestry came about. The problem is that Americans (and some others) WANT too much stuff. And as long as we and others want things (particularly those made of timber), I’m pretty sure that trees will keep being cut at a sustainable or non-sustainable rate. I really think environmental protection will only happen with some drastic change in cultural values.
Trouble is, the rest of the world’s economic survival rests on Americans staying that way. If half the U.S. population adopted a “live simply so others may simply live” stance, the world economy would collapse.
Given the problems with logic and huge assumptions evidenced in the WTA post, it’s difficult to see it as anything but a set of hollow talking points.
The idea that we can’t afford recreational facilities because we’ve reduced the subsidizing logging activities taking place in our National Forests doesn’t make sense.
Study after study shows us that logging generates profits for logging companies, but actually costs the taxpayers money – money that could easily be spent on recreational uses if so desired.
A few tidbits: in 1996, National Forest land accounted for about 5% of our national timber harvest. Ending logging completely (which hasn’t happened) wouldn’t create the kind of pressure on other forests the WTA article suggests.
It’s a red herring; Canada, Chile and Russia are not losing their forests because we’ve decided to start protecting ours.
Those forests are being cut because it’s profitable for somebody to cut them, and they’re not being protected. It’s not a market issue – it’s one of protection.
Of course, there are plenty of Federal Lands where timber is harvested (and harvested heavily), and in the past, the timber companies have not been much interested in anything but clearcuts.
I could go on, but I’m going fly fishing instead (an activity almost always damaged at the hands of the timber industry).
The original assumptions of the WTA article are deeply flawed, and don’t merit much consideration.
I often wonder if more could be done to farm trees. The last time I drove I5 up in Oregon I saw lush forests from the freeway. The last time I flew up to Portland (10 years ago) I saw from the air a narrow band of trees lining the freeway where I thought there were deep expansive forests. Image is everything I guess even if it is only a front.
I don’t know who owns that clearcut land though but if it is the logging companies, why aren’t they planting new trees for the future. Maybe they are and I don’t know it but if they aren’t, they should be. I had the opportunity to go to South Africa back in 2004 and took a bus trip from Johannesburg to Kruger National Park. On the way the bus passed some large areas where they were farming trees and you could see their operations from the road. I’m not at all an expert but it sure seems to me that farming could and should be done. We need wood for our economy but I sure hate the thought of destroying our forests for it. Why not aggressively grow and farm trees on some of that clearcut land and save our forests and parks?
The clear cut lands you saw most likely were privately owned. They are required to replant within 5 years to a specific density or they will be taxed at a higher level. Clear cuts do not stay brown forever. I have watched three clearcuts from my front porch across the hills for 6 years now, they have been replanted(they are private timber lands) and are completely green in one year, completely fir green in 5.
Take a look at the Forest Management Plan http://www.oregon.gov/ODF/STATE_FORESTS/nwfmp.shtml
for Northwest Oregon. You can see this plan at work in the Tillamook State Forest( a great deal of which, I might add was “glassed” in terrible fires in the 30’s). It is NOT clearcutting. A few years ago environmentalists put a measure on the ballot to repeal this plan(it’s “kinks” are being worked out and a revised plan will be put in place for the rest of forest service lands–if it makes it through the legal minefield). Part of the propaganda was implying this plan worked only in clearcuts, ruining the watershed. Which anyone who actually took the time to drive a hour to see for themselves could see was a lie.
The Warm SPrings Indian Reservation practices sustainable logging on their lands and the profits are returned to the people. They have also built a power plant that runs on slash, with no emissions–clean cheap power that provides jobs. THe slash comes from fire sites and thinning of their forest lands to return them to a healthy and historical density. This power plant could not be built elsewhere in Oregon because of environmentalist opposition(all slash/burned trees/anytree must be left alone).
I took a “greenie” friend to the Tillamook, she was convinced the forest was clearcut and unhealthy, a “sterile treefarm”. But as we went through the forest, she was amazed at the biodiversity, the regeneration from ground zero in 75 years.
Some private landowners are pioneers in sustainable forestry(yes, it can be done), others simply rape the land–BUT laws are in place for reforestation. The Forest Service has come a LONG WAY in forest management(especially for a government organization–ha!). Get your facts and your science straight before you pass judgement–or better yet, don’t judge and work for healthy forests and common sense(like the Warm Springs Tribe is doing).
Celeste, I’m not sure if you’re speaking to my post when you say “get your facts and your science straight before you pass judgement…”
I’m perfectly comfortable with my facts, and nowhere did I say that logging can’t be handled in a sustainable way.
Still, just last week a Rosenberg Forest Products representative said the erosion created by the 10-acre clear cuts coming (on Roseberg property above Dunsmuir, CA) would actually be good for fish (“fish spawn in sediment” she said, which is utter rubbish).
You do spit out the words “environmentalists” and “greenies” like invective, which suggests I’m not the only person willing to make judgments.
My dismissal of the idea that you can connect a lack of logging in National Parks to deforestation in other places still stands. In fact, I’d like to see some “facts” from any reliable source that connects the two.
I think it’s absolute and utter crap, and as someone who’s wholly in support of intelligent, sustainable harvest, it reads like a set of timber company talking points designed to paint opposition as a lunatic fringe.
I’m happy with my facts, and while I’m thrilled to hear that you’re happy with yours, they don’t contradict mine at all.
OK, nobody contradicts anybody… in fact nobody disputed the reason why I linked to the story to begin with.
This underscores the necessity among people of like minds to save their rhetorical heavy weaponry for the people who really deserve it, and to avoid the urge to pounce on potential allies over small differences of opinion.
Hi Tom, no I wasn’t commenting on your comments at all. If anything I was speaking to my previous poster about clearcuts. I apologize for not addressing my comments to the proper people I guess. And my “greenie” friend is my best friend who has no problem with me calling her greenie, we agree to disagree, and are open to changing our minds. I only said “get your facts straight et al” to the gentle anonymous reader; this was pounded into my head throughout my education(thankfully) and I thought I’d pass the encouragement. I’m not spitting out “environmentalist” or “greenie”(maybe I shouldn’t have used quotes)–only using those terms in labeling groups with public beliefs and opinions, simple as that. The Forest Service or timber companies I call “Forest Service” or “Timber Company”. I certainly know there are villians on BOTH sides–and the forest suffers as a result, since they seem to get the most press.
To the blog owner Tom, I didn’t mean to get uppity, I just wanted to share some good things going on in the woods.
Celeste: Sorry I made an assumption about your post. That, and I’m kinda tense about this stuff lately.
I live in a rural area and have been fighting a lot of environmentally damaging projects that are being wrapped in environmentally friendly marketing (salmon-exterminating dams are environmentally friendly power-generators, erosion from clearcuts is good for fisheries, etc).
Color me jaded. I know that there is room for sustainable timber harvest. I was gratified to learn that a local logging company will forgo the construction of skid roads (often a source of damage and erosion) and remove the logs via cables.
It’s a start.
HI TomC–that’s ok. If you get a chance, do look at the link I provided above. I’ve heard this Forest Management Plan (in the “experimental” stage in the Tillamook State Forest in Oregon) is slated to be adopted for the whole Forest Service nationwide. I think there is some odd 10 more years as they monitor how it’s working and how the public perceives it and supports it.